Saturday, June 2, 2007

"Every famous person who ever lived was secretly an Eckist"

source: http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=57698

"...the Eckankar writings are riddled with fear tactics right out of Scientology and dire threats of what damnation awaits anyone foolish enough to quit. Without the Living Eck Master's guidance, all a person's karma is dumped onto his head and will likely crush the poor soul. Numerous threats promise countless rounds of more miserable lives spent in the astral hells and back here on earth. All is not lost, though, if the hapless student someday crawls back to the feet of the Living Eck Master and asks to be saved. As you may guess, these fear-laden admonitions against quitting are only available to the student after approximately 10 years of conditioning (er...study), so new members have absolutely no idea what less-than-pleasant surprises await them down the road."

When I first quit, I was a bit worried about what would happen next, but I was willing to take the chance because the whole movement seemed such utter bullshit. They claimed stuff like every famous person who ever lived was secretly an Eckist and/or an Eck Master.

From my experience, I think cults are most effective on the young, on persons who have recently been traumatized and need something to fill the void, or people who desperately need the approval of a group to belong to.

When I joined Eck, I guess it was a youthful indescretion and it seemed like a good idea at the time.

9 comments:

rorick19 said...

No one likes to feel like they were played. I am an ex eckist too. I think it takes a lot of courage to walk away because the brain washing can be so powerful. I know of an older Eckist that would like to get out but he has been in so long, he is afraid to take the step. So give yourself a pat on the back and also know truth is out there. When I found out the truth about initiations, the area Resa yelled at me because I asked the questions. Eckist can't handle truth although they talk about it constantly. Thank you for your posting. All of us need to know there are others that have experienced the deception of Eckankar.

ray ernest said...

I first met Paul in San Diego in 1967 through Tom Flamma, when Eckankar was becoming popular. I was mesmerized like so many others to the idea of an easy access to God. Of course I gave him lots of money. But, nothing like Helen Varner Fry of Sedona. She had a spectacular property. I lived there and worked for room and board, no wages.

Financially, I think, that was how the movement got started. She had untold millions in property value from her late husband. He used to fly over the area and gradually make acquisitions. We are talking 142,000 acres, in what was considered inexpensive scrub desert; good only for the many Hollywood movies we are all familiar with. But, to developers, it was a desert of diamonds.

Guess who she willed it to? Eckankar. Where that money eventually disappeared into is probably in the same way as the money from Enron!

As I look back at these 'masters', I am the same as others who want to believe. It is a harsh, but necessary, life lesson.

I quit Eckankar. It is just another form of multi-level marketing.

GratefulOne said...

I joined Eckankar in1968 on my own when I was 17 and am still a grateful member of Eckankar today. I have met Sri Paul Twitchell and also personally known many individuals like Tom Flamma, Frederick Foos and many many other chelas from the early days of Eck. I have volunteered upon occasion without any pressure at all from Eckankar or local Eck leaders. To this day, I have not found anything that can equal the “sacred” teachings of Eck or the “personal inner guidance” of the various Eck Masters who have proven themselves to be “real and helpful” at every turn. Indeed, I know Eckists who received guidance from these same inner Masters long before encountering the outer teachings of Eck in 1965 or afterwards. As for myself and my immediate family members, our past life memories have not dimmed and the guidance of these Eck Masters in other lives in known personally to us, and not through speculation or mere belief. This includes the physical appearance of Yaubl Sacabi for a couple days to my whole family at a crucial time when my mother was deceased. He quietly gave us love and support and it was only a day afterwards that we realized his true identity after he had gone.
NEVER have I felt fear, guilt, cult tactics, financial manipulation or anything of the like while being an Eckists these past 43 years as an Eckist. Time after time, I have received ONLY benefits with life problems concerning survival, deceased relatives and friends as an act of kindness and concern by these same Eck Masters, right on up to the present Living Eck Master, Sri Harold Klemp. Well do I also remember the grace given to my father by the inner Master Wah Z at his hour of passing from this life.
As for one of the previous comment makers… I remember him, and I also remember the personal problems he had that had nothing to do with Eckankar that made his life unnecessarily challenging. But that was not the fault of Eckankar… since we each must hold personal responsibility for what we do and what we do not do in this life. To the Eck Masters and Eckankar… I can only say thank you from the bottom of my heart for all the blessings showered upon my family all these many years.

Tobiwan said...

Eckankar has been a great adventure for me since 1969 when I met my first ECK Master (in this lifetime) Paul Twitchell. Commitment is not for everyone; many marriages come apart in rancor, others end in friendship (as did my first, I'm glad to say). The relationship between a teacher and a student depends entirely on what both parties put into it. The teacher can give his all, but if the student flags in his devotion to study and application, or takes a stronger interest in other matters, the relationship with the teacher can be expected to flag. It's sad when the student feels a sense of failure and blames it on the teacher. Every great teaching meets strong opposition from the orthodoxy of the time. In modern time it's either the academic "secular humanists," or the evangelistic fundamentalist types. If you don't see opposition, suspect the teaching! Of course the presence of opposition doesn't mean the teaching is true either. All I will say about the truth if Eckankar is that by applying it to my life I have had a very happy life. Before Eckankar, when I tried everything else, I was miserable. My success is no guarantee that others will enjoy it. The path is littered with failures, whether from ego, social correctness, religious confusion, or whatever. If ever and when I meet someone as happy as myself who has reached it by another path, I'll take my hat off to him or her - but I won't eat the hat!

Unknown said...

That the author would try leading with a ridiculous and easily disproved claim that Eckankar says that "Every famous person who ever lived was secretly an Eckist and/or an Eck Master" says it all about their credibility.

Drdan said...

Beautifully said

Drdan said...

Beautifully said

Carol Bea said...

I noticed a guess, in one of the blogs , that there were between 50,000 and 500,000 Eckists out here.
That guess is so variable because the
person realizes the vast number of Eckists that are self realized and
God realized,and no longer need the trappings of the "organization" of Eckankar I,for lack of a better word graduated after five years back in 1978 and have been and will always be an Eckist. Thank you Paul,Darwin,Thomas Helen Dr.Fooz
Ernie Jerry...........

Carol Bea said...

I noticed a guess, in one of the blogs , that there were between 50,000 and 500,000 Eckists out here.
That guess is so variable because the
person realizes the vast number of Eckists that are self realized and
God realized,and no longer need the trappings of the "organization" of Eckankar I,for lack of a better word graduated after five years back in 1978 and have been and will always be an Eckist. Thank you Paul,Darwin,Thomas Helen Dr.Fooz
Ernie Jerry...........